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Post by galaxina on Sept 1, 2010 15:40:44 GMT
And Galaxina, did you by chance catch the color of the one that makes him burrow underground? Please take more time to read all of my posts more often. I already did XT. the yellow whisps, who make Sonic able to do a spinning dive attack to tunnel underground or move through water like a torpedo
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Post by Hissara on Sept 1, 2010 23:51:20 GMT
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Post by Twilitbeing on Sept 2, 2010 0:38:44 GMT
Maturity is over-rated. I'm not what you'd call an "old school" gamer; the original Sonic games didn't appeal to me, so I don't expect a revival to do so, either. That said, I'm glad Sega finally seems to be catching on and realizing that there are people who prefer the older style.
Personally, I'll probably rent Colors when it comes out, then decide whether it's worth the full price. This strategy has never failed me.
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Post by galaxina on Sept 2, 2010 1:11:13 GMT
That's what I always do too Twilight.
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Post by XT-421 on Sept 2, 2010 1:38:48 GMT
Hmm... 1. To Galaxina, I've covered this before, lol, I'm practically blind, I can hardly read, (especially the small text on this forum, which I try to change. Oddly, on my own forum, I made the font impossibly small, yet, oddly, I never lose track of what I'm reading... perhaps the font? nevermind.) 2. To Twilit, strange as it may seem, I've never done this. I always buy my games upfront, or don't buy them at all- AH! ONE game was rented before it was bought, and that was Paper Mario, the original on the Nintendo 64, that was one of the best games I'd ever played. 3. Hissara, sadly, I read into that, and I know EXACTLY what it means... Or at least I have a pretty good guess. In my personal, improfessional opinion, the Sonic franchise has been failing abroad. They've been using gimmicks to keep themselves alive, yet those don't help them in the long run. Now, I feel they are trying a new venue to get their ratings up. Let's talk about plot. Now, maybe this is just me, but, looking back, I feel this has always been kind of bad, definitely of late moreso than the past, (objections?) I guess SA2B had it pretty good. But, the original Sonic Games, (correct me if I'm wrong,) never had too much of a definitive plot, "Save the woodland creatures by defeating the mechanical genius [who's name happens to have robot in it?]" Now, we hear a message from the company saying to the hardcore fans who are getting hyped about a new game, riding a wave of past failures. Why would they tell us not to get excited for a game? That is the WORST marketing ever, unless we're going to be disappointed, perhaps? My GUESS is that Sonic Colors might contain the cheesiest plotline ever, which would lower many reviewers if it was made for adults. But, if the game is made for kids... Well, Spongebob Squarepants makes its fortunes and seems to be pointless. In addition, I feel that the Sonic Team might be sabotaging this new game, Sonic 4, by not really giving it a plotline to begin with. Therefore, it matches the criteria that the Team has given us, which honestly seems to be just a side scrolling Sonic game, "reminiscent of the original Sonic games". I browsed the Sonic 4 homepage, and what they're already advertising seems to support this. They have a "storyline", but it is a recap of the original Sonic Games, which has been dusted to make prettier. Also, a majority of their content is based on pictures, sound, and characters, (proving that an excess of characters won't weight the game down.) Does anyone else see this the way I am? If so, can you see beyond this, to correct something I've overlooked? Or shall we begin making online gambles, because I like my odds. Sorry if I sound to cynical, but, this game looks far too good to be true, and, sadly, (REALLY SADLY) too good to be a Sonic Game. ~Joe
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Post by galaxina on Sept 2, 2010 14:16:33 GMT
So does that mean you are losing your interest in the Sonic series now XT?
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Post by XT-421 on Sept 2, 2010 16:13:58 GMT
Not exactly interest. Just faith.
~Joe
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Post by galaxina on Sept 2, 2010 18:28:48 GMT
Kinda sounds like you've been taking from that "Sonic Cycle" thing. Don't listen to them, Sonic is still great in my opinion, although that may just be because I am a hardcore Sonic fan myself.
By the way, for me it is more of the opposite. I didn't really like the Original Genesis ones that much (not enough cutesy characters, bad graphics, no decent storyline, not serious enough villains, too simple), but I like the newer ones more myself. I still like most of them more because of those qualities that the original genesis ones didn't have. The only newer games I didn't like that much was Unleashed, for the music was too corny, mostly like something out of Tom and Jerry instead of more of the newer game's awesome electronic guitar solos and stuff, the human characters looked more like something out of Jimmy Neutron, and not the almost realistic human characters in ones like SA2B and Shadow the Hedgehog, and other bad things. I also disliked Sonic and the Secret Rings because I'm not so into that mythical based stuff (same reason I dislike Legend of Zelda), although Black Knight had other things to make up for it, so I liked that one.
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Post by Twilitbeing on Sept 2, 2010 20:15:23 GMT
I've given up trying to predict how well Sonic games will turn out. Yes, one could argue that the series has been running out of steam for a while, and much of the online community believes it to be on its last leg. However, this opinion has been around ever since Heroes - before such successes as '06 and Chronicles. (Your mileage may vary on those two, but I'm sure there's something you could cite in their place.) Whatever their flaws may be, almost every game has done enough things right to maintain the fanbase, and the new releases just keep coming.
Is the series beyond recovery? Maybe - but it's still generating plenty of revenue, and Sonic Team's track record doesn't indicate their giving up in the foreseeable future. I figure it's only a matter of time until they deliver something good.
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Post by Hissara on Sept 2, 2010 23:43:41 GMT
Kinda sounds like you've been taking from that "Sonic Cycle" thing. Don't listen to them, Sonic is still great in my opinion, although that may just be because I am a hardcore Sonic fan myself. By the way, for me it is more of the opposite. I didn't really like the Original Genesis ones that much (not enough cutesy characters, bad graphics, no decent storyline, not serious enough villains, too simple), but I like the newer ones more myself. I still like most of them more because of those qualities that the original genesis ones didn't have. The only newer games I didn't like that much was Unleashed, for the music was too corny, mostly like something out of Tom and Jerry instead of more of the newer game's awesome electronic guitar solos and stuff, the human characters looked more like something out of Jimmy Neutron, and not the almost realistic human characters in ones like SA2B and Shadow the Hedgehog, and other bad things. I also disliked Sonic and the Secret Rings because I'm not so into that mythical based stuff (same reason I dislike Legend of Zelda), although Black Knight had other things to make up for it, so I liked that one. Waiiit a minute... are you really saying that simplicity and no story is BAD in a Sonic game?
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Post by galaxina on Sept 3, 2010 1:10:40 GMT
Kinda sounds like you've been taking from that "Sonic Cycle" thing. Don't listen to them, Sonic is still great in my opinion, although that may just be because I am a hardcore Sonic fan myself. By the way, for me it is more of the opposite. I didn't really like the Original Genesis ones that much (not enough cutesy characters, bad graphics, no decent storyline, not serious enough villains, too simple), but I like the newer ones more myself. I still like most of them more because of those qualities that the original genesis ones didn't have. The only newer games I didn't like that much was Unleashed, for the music was too corny, mostly like something out of Tom and Jerry instead of more of the newer game's awesome electronic guitar solos and stuff, the human characters looked more like something out of Jimmy Neutron, and not the almost realistic human characters in ones like SA2B and Shadow the Hedgehog, and other bad things. I also disliked Sonic and the Secret Rings because I'm not so into that mythical based stuff (same reason I dislike Legend of Zelda), although Black Knight had other things to make up for it, so I liked that one. Waiiit a minute... are you really saying that simplicity and no story is BAD in a Sonic game? At least it's something I dislike in a Sonic game. I like the ones where there are more characters (especially super cute ones), and more serious threats like Iblis the Flames of Disaster and the Metarex, plus more detailed graphics to make it all stand out.
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Post by XT-421 on Sept 3, 2010 3:48:38 GMT
Ok, lots of comments, lots of opinions. Here are mine.
1. Galaxina about Villains: Actually, I feel that, way back with the Genesis, Dr. Robotnik was more sinister. He wasn't called Eggman then, just Robotnik. He tried to kill Sonic with cruel weapons, and attempted world domination many times. He showed no sympathy unlike his counterpart "Eggman". It wasn't until he became "Eggman" that he became a softy.
2. What is "Sonic Cycle"?
3. Galaxina's Music: I actually think that they've gotten a lot better with the soundtracks as the series progressed. If Sonic Team is doing something right, it is the music. Albeit, their switch from Sonic Rock, to Sonic Classical isn't that smile-worthy, but it isn't bad music.
4. Twilit 06 and Chronicles: Ok, for both of these games, I see where they did good things, and I see where they did terrible things. Both had cool new characters that were, *cough* mostly well received. Silver the Telekinetic Hedgehog, and Shade the Kick-ass Echidna. However, the games were held back with confusing/crappy story lines, and for one game, terribly annoying load times.
5. Hissara Simplicity and no storyline DOES make a bad game in my mind. I LOVE complex games with intricate story lines, and wish heavily that the Sonic Team could whip something like that up.
6. Twilit's Something good: I'm telling you Twilit, I've watched things for a long, long time. Halo is the smartest, wisest franchise out there, why? They're calling it quits and hanging up the Halo Saga in a lockbox to be treasured for all time. Sure, no doubt other companies will borrow the idea to make money off of, but those games won't interfere with the Halo Legacy. Sonic Team isn't so smart, they're trying to make money off of a legend, and, sadly, in the process, ruining his reputation...
You know... all of this thought, why not we go to Sega and ask to get hired?
Personally, I am doubtful of Sonic Colors ability to sweet me off my feet. Though its soundtrack is still BA, and I will buy it/download it the second I find the hack to do so.
~Joe
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Post by galaxina on Sept 3, 2010 13:25:32 GMT
Ok, lots of comments, lots of opinions. Here are mine. 1. Galaxina about Villains: Actually, I feel that, way back with the Genesis, Dr. Robotnik was more sinister. He wasn't called Eggman then, just Robotnik. He tried to kill Sonic with cruel weapons, and attempted world domination many times. He showed no sympathy unlike his counterpart "Eggman". It wasn't until he became "Eggman" that he became a softy. Well I still think Eggman in both versions was not that good of a villain, though he still is kind of cool, for his robots do look pretty neat and stuff. However, he never is that serious of a villain, his tactics would be comparable to villains like Lex Luther and the bad guys in most of Power Rangers. He attemps a complex evil scheme, and uses lots of stuf to do it, but then he gets beaten, runs off saying something like "I'll be back and you'll regret this," and that's it. He isn't as serious as newer foes in the Sonic series who are more complex, hardcore, and stuff, and he never did things like killed people or stared a large scale war or anything. These guys are better foes in the Sonic series. -Metarex: Absolutely the best. They committed universal genocide, started a large scale war with little time for R&R, both wiped out and harvested from many other alien species, and on top of it, are organism/machine hybrids, and are split into five lords leading them. Plus they had awesome weaponry and tactics. Best ones yet in my book. They were so hardcore, Eggman even resorted to helping them. -Black Arms: Still really good. An army of somewhat religious aliens, some with special powers and cool stuff like ancient ruins of thiers on earth, and diversity in their kind. Eggman even in the series was overwhelmed by them, and they created Shadow, the most anti-hero character in the series ever. Though they have a few flaws, they were second best to me. -Mephiles: He's demonic, he copied the form of the Anti-Hero Shadow, and he is just pure evil. Also Eggman may have TRIED to kill Sonic before, but Mephiles ACTUALLY DID IT, although Sonic soon came back by other means, that still counts. All the reason why he is better. -Iblis: The other side of Solaris, he can destroy cities in his rage, he created demonic minions by his own power, he's the size of a building, and if that weren't enough, he can't really die, he can only be suppressed. Eggman has nothing on this. That's all the reason why they are better foes than Eggman. 2. What is "Sonic Cycle"? It's this bull$%@! thing that's been going around the internet that is what people say happens whenever a new Sonic game comes out. I personally am against it, but some Sonic haters have used it to insult me before. Here's a pic of what it's about, please don't be offended by it, for that's not what I am trying to do. You know... all of this thought, why not we go to Sega and ask to get hired? That would be a great idea. Maybe I'll consider that.
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Post by Hissara on Sept 3, 2010 20:09:05 GMT
Ok, lots of comments, lots of opinions. Here are mine. 5. Hissara Simplicity and no storyline DOES make a bad game in my mind. I LOVE complex games with intricate story lines, and wish heavily that the Sonic Team could whip something like that up. ~Joe It does make a bad game... But it's Sonic the Hedgehog. This isn't a game where you should look at this as compelling story. Also, I thought that Cycle was pretty funny.
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Post by XT-421 on Sept 4, 2010 1:45:38 GMT
And I thought that cycle sounded pretty accurate to a degree, lol.
Galaxina, back on the topic of villains. Back when, before dialogue entered the Sonic Games, Robotnik was pretty darn sinister. He never had any corny, kid-friendly lines, so what his true intentions were and what was going through his mind was up in the air. And plenty of villains have built complex machines to complete evil deeds, look at the Empire in Star Wars. (Now, one could rationalize that it is not complex machines, but radical ones, in which case, no, the Empire doesn't quite qualify. And if that is the case, I'll agree with you, because I can't think of a counterexample.)
But, shifting the topic back into focus, I don't really think that the "Sonic Cycle" will really work well with Sonic Colours.
I mean, fitting into the categories COULD be those, what did you call them? Whisps? But... idk. They don't seem to talk, only to be rescued and help Sonic, (kind of like a power up in Metroid, but... meh, not accurate enough.)
~Joe
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Post by Hissara on Sept 4, 2010 11:27:55 GMT
And I thought that cycle sounded pretty accurate to a degree, lol. Galaxina, back on the topic of villains. Back when, before dialogue entered the Sonic Games, Robotnik was pretty darn sinister. He never had any corny, kid-friendly lines, so what his true intentions were and what was going through his mind was up in the air. ~Joe I can agree with XT here. Robotnik has really bad lines. Not even Mike Pollock could help with what he has to say...
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Post by miyafox on Sept 4, 2010 17:38:50 GMT
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Post by galaxina on Sept 4, 2010 18:51:19 GMT
I'm not sure if there will be a multiplayer, but I hope there will.
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Post by Hissara on Sept 5, 2010 1:13:25 GMT
I personally think it doesn't need it.
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Post by miyafox on Sept 5, 2010 16:54:21 GMT
It would be total awesomeness if there was multiplayer! I think it would be cool.
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