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Post by galaxina on Nov 4, 2008 19:59:28 GMT
Okay, this is something wierd I noticed about scar ship, the giant living metarex ship from epiode 61 that sounded like Megatron. I remember in episode 64, (which was after the typhoon crew beat him) that there were more scar ships flying around the metarex base there. Does this mean that there is more than one scar ship? If that is true, than maybe the one fought by the typhoon crew was not the same one that attacked Cosmo's ship, and therefore she never got her revenge.
Also in the places where I found those Metarex facts, it said nothing about this. How could there be more Scar Ships?
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Post by Twilitbeing on Nov 4, 2008 20:58:43 GMT
I don't think there were more than one, since they referred to the one we know of simply as "Scarship." I have noticed, thought, that almost all of the Metarex and their ships have the same basic visual design style - insectoid, and with overlapping rings of armor. They were probably just fleet ships.
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Post by galaxina on Nov 5, 2008 12:51:04 GMT
Well how could Cosmo tell them apart from the one that attacked her ship if they look the same?
Also the metarex had other ships too, like those sphere shaped interceptors and spiky ring shaped bombers.
I really don't know what to say about this.
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Post by Lili on Nov 6, 2008 1:23:47 GMT
Uh, you can say, 'They ships look different sometimes,' or something like that. ~Lili
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Post by galaxina on Nov 6, 2008 12:42:32 GMT
No they didn't. They all had the same head, spiky rod trubines, body shape, color, and everything. It would pretty much be near impossible to pick out just one if there were so many more.
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Post by Lili on Nov 6, 2008 23:43:34 GMT
Well, if Cosmo didn't get her 'revenge', then I guess she wasn't luck enough to get her 'revenge'. I think I'm just posting here to raise my post count or something... ~Lili
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Post by galaxina on Jan 8, 2009 19:56:19 GMT
Well I still don't see how there can be more than one Scar ship, as we saw on episdoe 64. I mean how could the metarex possibly mass produce something the size of 10 aircraft carriers that has enough firepower to wreck entire armies of ships within moments in that little of time?
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Post by Twilitbeing on Jan 8, 2009 21:57:21 GMT
It may be huge, but keep in mind the size of their other creations. Remember how big that base was? And it really wasn't that large by Metarex standards; it was just smarter and more heavily armed.
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Post by galaxina on Jan 9, 2009 12:43:01 GMT
Yeah but they didn't mas produce that base. Also keep in mind that tails couldn't even mass produce the Blue Typhoon even though it was that big.
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Post by Twilitbeing on Jan 12, 2009 20:43:55 GMT
*facepalm* My point about the base was that if they could make one thing that big, they could easily mass-produce Scarship, which is very small by comparison. And Tails is only one person, while the Metarex literally had legions of mechanized workers at their command.
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Post by galaxina on Feb 2, 2009 12:53:37 GMT
Well you don't know how long that space fortress took them. It might have been decades, or even a year and Sonic and co. just recently encountered it.
Plus if there is more than one, than why didn't Dark oak send out an army of them in episode 61? If they could barely match one, then They possibly never woudl've stood like a hundred.
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Post by Twilitbeing on Feb 3, 2009 2:29:54 GMT
I don't think the base took that long; keep in mind that some of the Seedrians on the colony were there and looked almost the same when they departed Green Gate and during the scene when Cosmo was a newborn. Therefore, that base couldn't be more than about ten years old, unless it was built before the Metarex began their campaigns.
Also keep in mind that the Metarex were focused on a lot more than just the Typhoon at the time; the other Scarships might have been busy with other legs of the campaign or, in the case of the ones you saw, guarding critical points like the fortress. Dark Oak, like many tyrants, had a tendency to underestimate his enemies and probably didn't expect them to be able to defeat Scarship in battle, so he only sent one.
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Post by Kyle Has Teh Style on Feb 3, 2009 4:29:52 GMT
Questioning Sonic lodgic brings me joy. Can't we just say 'don't question Video Game lodgic'? ...Wait, crap. Sonic X is anime. ~FK, POST COUNT GOES UP
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Post by Twilitbeing on Feb 3, 2009 5:19:34 GMT
I made this same point over on the Seedrian biology thread: if we didn't want to question it, we wouldn't start these threads, and if you don't want to question it, don't spam up the topic with useless replies. We ask and attempt to answer these questions mostly for our own enjoyment. If you don't enjoy discussing it, you don't have to participate.
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Post by Kyle Has Teh Style on Feb 7, 2009 5:27:34 GMT
I made this same point over on the Seedrian biology thread: if we didn't want to question it, we wouldn't start these threads, and if you don't want to question it, don't spam up the topic with useless replies. We ask and attempt to answer these questions mostly for our own enjoyment. If you don't enjoy discussing it, you don't have to participate. Yeah, sorry about that. I'll be a bit more careful with my comments from now on. I'm a bit too used to being random on another site I'm a member of (It's spam city there). Anyways, I'm willing to talk about this.
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Post by galaxina on Feb 18, 2009 0:07:56 GMT
I still don't get though why Cosmo yelled out "that's the same ship that attacked mine" in episode 61. How was she sure that it wasn't one of the other scar ships?
I also want to say that I didn't like the fight with that one in Episode 61. I mean clogging its weapon outlets and all that stuff, c'mon! And when it was charging towards them, couldn't they just move, or when he shot seeker missiles, couldn't they just shoot them down or use anti-seeker flares? And why didn't they send out the Xtornado and Amy and Cream's ships to help out? I would've more preferred a fight like the boss fights in Star Fox. I've played Star fox 64, assault, and command, and am good to comment on this. It would be like boss fights like the warship in the Meteo astreroid belt, the sand bug monster from that one desert planet in 64 (forget name), and even like the Aparoid corrupted Pigma Dengar boss. I would've liked it if they move the Blue Typhoon back and then send out the Xtornado and other small ships and then it would be cool. Then they would have to dodge shots by moving out of the way and shoot down seeker missiles and ships it deploys. Thye would have to fire at specific weak spots such as the open weapons, turrets, glowing spots, the eyes and the blue things under the chin until his health meter depletes. After every weapon is gone and his health is like a 25%, he would open up this thing and reveal the central core and charge its mega beam in it, and they would have a bit of time to take it out before it fires. Then you would see all these little explsions all over it, the scar ship would yell something like AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!, and there would be three big ones that finish him off. Afterwards, it would say Mission Accomplished and they would comment on the battle and fly off. If that was how the scar ship fight in epsiode 61 was, I think it would be a lot more awesome looking.
It would be kinda like one of these battles, but different, longer, and way more epic
Don't you agree?
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Post by Twilitbeing on Feb 18, 2009 0:26:25 GMT
You've been playing way too much Star Fox. Realistic starships wouldn't have an external health meter, wouldn't need to open up to charge a weapon, and probably wouldn't have dumb enough pilots or AIs to show their weak points right to the enemy.
Clogging the guns: That would actually be quite an effective strategy. The materials they used wouldn't work too well on lasers, but they would be sufficient to detonate a missile.
Anti-missile flares: There was no need; it couldn't hit them anyway with the smokescreen in place.
Dodging the ram: Turning around would have taken too long, and since the Typhoon doesn't have much in the way of lateral thrusters, strafing sideways would take too long. What they could have done was turn the nose up and to one side, move a bit in that direction, and overcharge the shields, allowing them to bounce off the side of the ship at a shallower angle.
Launching fighters: That would've been a bad idea. While people with jetpacks could possibly escape the notice of a large ship, personal spacecraft couldn't and would be shot down within seconds.
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Post by galaxina on Feb 18, 2009 12:48:37 GMT
As if you haven't? I know how much you talk about Star Fox here. Also keep in mind that Sonic X was based off of a video game, so that is why I make this comparison. Plus The Xtornado is about as big and strong as the Arwing, and the Arwing could single handedly take down ships that big, and if not, they could still use the smaller ones as an annoyance. And still the clogging the outlets was just corny, If I ever see Fox Mccloud and his team take down a venomian warship or something by jamming its outlets in the future, then I might say otherwise though.
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Post by Twilitbeing on Feb 18, 2009 21:55:03 GMT
The thing is, battles like that wouldn't be practical in real life and usually aren't portrayed that way in non-game fiction. In fact, the only reason video games make them like that (on-rails, repetitive, predictable, and with the enemies a lot stupider than real ones would be) is because anything more complex would require programming that most current game systems couldn't handle. The have an in-game battleship behave like a real one, it would need an AI as smart as a real pilot and a physics engine identical to real life. Putting that in a game is next to impossible, but those aspects can be portrayed in writing, film, or animation. Yes, Sonic X is based on a video game series, but it's based on the storyline, not the gameplay. Imagine how boring the show would've been if every episode had played out the way it would have in a video-game equivalent.
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Post by galaxina on Feb 23, 2009 12:43:44 GMT
Hey, I have a bit pof information that the scar ship they fought in episode 61 actually survived and was merely heavily damaged, AND I HAVE PROOF.
Alright, in episode 65, you see a scene of a scarship with battle damage remarkably similar to the ones suffered by the one in episode 61. You see it in what appears to be a repair bay. This must mean that the scar shbip somehow survived and was repaired soon after. It is different from the others by its battle damage, which is the same. You see this scene at the part where black naricssus says "this bickering is pointless, we should spend more time fighting our enemy and not ourselves."
Also I have a feeling the Red Pine also surived somehow. He might have used a teleporter or caught on another ship or something to escape. A metarex like him just wouldn't have gone down so easily, I mean he never really got to fight himself.
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